tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post5359531826237891081..comments2023-12-18T09:55:42.480-08:00Comments on What Sister Never Knew and Father Never Told You: The Heart of A Shepherd and the Heart of a Lion Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-89092374470741413162015-03-08T07:01:47.429-07:002015-03-08T07:01:47.429-07:00well, as i said, i certainly don't condone dri...well, as i said, i certainly don't condone driving under the influence but as for compassion for the individual, how could i not have compassion for a person whatever their sin or even their crime? I would be no better than those krazies who are so quick to judge and condemn. no compassion must be for all, regardless of the offense, or I cannot expect the Divine Compassion for my sins and offenses. Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-54543529485900099322015-03-07T19:46:44.688-08:002015-03-07T19:46:44.688-08:00Zero compassion for driving under the influence......Zero compassion for driving under the influence...ZERO....NewYorkCMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09011615804346056831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-15068772719376714152015-03-07T19:29:26.259-08:002015-03-07T19:29:26.259-08:00well I certainly don't condone driving under t...well I certainly don't condone driving under the influence but I am a bit slow to say that one incident of having a blood alcohol level above what the law requires to operate an automobile makes a person a drunkard. I think the Archbishop deserves a measure of compassionate understanding so that he can learn what compassionate understanding is. Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-25812566243315332902015-03-07T18:26:46.862-08:002015-03-07T18:26:46.862-08:00DUI was not in the Bible, but being a drunkered is...DUI was not in the Bible, but being a drunkered is.....guess the good Bishop missed that part....it's gonna be a long ride until we get rid of the JPll and BXVl boys...NewYorkCMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09011615804346056831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-60453664420467322682015-03-07T06:34:52.803-08:002015-03-07T06:34:52.803-08:00You would be right, if inordinatis affectibus were...You would be right, if inordinatis affectibus were not literally translated "disordered affections." But it is, obviously. And "harmful desires" while a meaningful rendering, is certainly not somehow closer to the original Latin.<br /><br />L&S gives "disordered" as the second possibility of "inordinatus," after, "not arranged," its brutally literal sense. The "harmful" of everyone's pet Missal revision does not even show up. The other possibility given is "irregular."<br /><br />"Affection" is also close to the top of the list in L&S as the meaning of "affectus." Alternatives include, "Love, desire, fondness..."<br /><br />So what's your choice? <br /><br />"Disordered loves?"<br />"Irregular desires?"<br />"Irregular fondnesses?"<br /><br />These aren't however, code-words for anything except sin, which the Catholic tradition, as you well know, conceives of largely as the result of desires or attachments (dare we say affections?) that are not ordered towards the love of God and, hence, man's fulfillment and happiness--hence, disordered. The argument for homosexuality's mainstreaming in Catholicism will be precisely to show that they are *not* disordered affections, not that disordered affections are OK!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-91863570441180809742015-03-07T06:32:20.066-08:002015-03-07T06:32:20.066-08:00Would not a more correct translation be "inor...Would not a more correct translation be "inordinate affections" -- as distinguished from "disordered affections" -- meaning ones that err by way of excess?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-58212245474733034542015-03-06T16:08:38.208-08:002015-03-06T16:08:38.208-08:00I wonder if the Archbishop's decision to move ...I wonder if the Archbishop's decision to move in this direction of "standards with sanctions" may actually have been prompted by an incident in another Catholic (high) school that falls within his territorial jurisdiction but is not part of his diocesan administration. As our friends in San Francisco related the incident, a young religion teacher at this school both "came out" and made disparaging remarks about the Archbishop's perceived "anti-gay" stance and did so on his personal Facebook page. According to our friends' pastor, a diocesan priest of long service there, the word among the priests was that what really ticked the Archbishop off was not the young teacher's public "coming out" or even his nasty words for the Archbishop, but the fact that HUGE NUMBERS of students, fellow faculty and parents rushed onto Facebook to support and agree with the young teacher. He was apparently shocked that students, colleagues and parents didn't stand up to defend the Church's teaching, reject the teacher's "disordered affections", and rally to the Archbishop's support. Which only goes to show (our friends' pastor asserted) how completely out of touch such Bishops are with the reality of the real world and where even Catholics paying a fortune for their child's education are with regard to this and other "culture warrior" issues.<br /><br />Speaking of THIS issue, I was surprised to hear our young associate priest say during the Preface at Mass the other day (and I looked this up at home in my hand missal with the new translation): "For you have given your children a sacred time for the renewing and purifying of their hearts, that, freed from DISORDERED AFFECTIONS, they may so deal with the things of this passing world as to hold rather to the things that eternally endure." Well, as a religion teacher myself with a Master in theology from the Jesuits, I know what those words DISORDERED AFFECTIONS are code for. How did homosexuality end up in Preface II of Lent? I looked up the Latin online (thank you Sisters and later Jesuits for eight years of Latin!): "mente ab inordinatis affectibus expedita"! Sorry, not the same thing at all! And I thought this was supposed to be the literal translation?! In fact if you check the first rejected revised translation of the Missal, available online, the same text is rendered: "You set aside this season of grace for your people to renew and purify their hearts, so that, freed from all harmful desires, they may live in this passing world with hearts set on the world that will never end". Not only is the text more English (rather than Latinate), but more accurately translated as well. Certainly the Latin original is referring to "harmful desires" and not to one's sexual orientation!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-83470022155032776712015-03-06T07:28:21.305-08:002015-03-06T07:28:21.305-08:00"Catch-XXII?""Catch-XXII?"Ollllddudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00893625383056639105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-18509885072878263842015-03-05T22:33:35.143-08:002015-03-05T22:33:35.143-08:00Is driving drunk a violation of the moral code? J...Is driving drunk a violation of the moral code? Just asking before I put my first stone down to cast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-9376808277297635512015-03-05T20:02:01.635-08:002015-03-05T20:02:01.635-08:00Cordileone himself made a mistake by having a DUI ...Cordileone himself made a mistake by having a DUI and he got to keep his job. I expect the same grace when Cordileone is confronted with people who fail to live up to his standards of perfection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-22045054279223208102015-03-05T17:36:36.031-08:002015-03-05T17:36:36.031-08:00Yes, I did read the document and it is precisely t...Yes, I did read the document and it is precisely the sort of thing of which I wrote. It is the sort of shot across the bow that establishes the Archdiocese's legal right to terminate employment of any employee who deviates from the standards set in the document. Without such a document the Archdiocese could be challenged for firing a non-conforming employee; with the document the Archdiocese can argue that the employee failed to live up to the standards set by the agreement he or she signed. The San Francisco Archdiocese is not the first Catholic Institution to require such a document and precisely to set the terms of employment. I am not arguing with the Archbishop's right to teach Catholic doctrine, nor even to fire employees who don't conform. I just want to be clear as to what the agenda is in requiring all employees to sign such a document Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-24735370588715725342015-03-05T16:18:05.681-08:002015-03-05T16:18:05.681-08:00Along with other problems, I worry about some of t...Along with other problems, I worry about some of the unintended consequences of his stance. Take the case of an unmarried female teacher who becomes pregnant. The way I see it she has two choices. One, keep the baby and get fired for violating the standard - losing health coverage in the process. So she would become pregnant, unemployed and uninsured. Or if she didn't think she could afford to lose her job and health coverage, she may consider quietly aborting the baby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-77749599414349220162015-03-05T13:54:48.677-08:002015-03-05T13:54:48.677-08:00Have you even read the document in question? Here&...Have you even read the document in question? Here's a link. http://catholic-sf.org/ns.php?newsid=25&id=63175<br /><br />It hardly sounds like the thing of which you are speaking. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com