tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post6863295073455033950..comments2023-12-18T09:55:42.480-08:00Comments on What Sister Never Knew and Father Never Told You: The Complexities of Ecumenism Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-66547606462091819272016-01-29T04:56:33.889-08:002016-01-29T04:56:33.889-08:00thank you for writing. You give an example of kra...thank you for writing. You give an example of krazies' discarding of facts for hate-filled rhetoric. Secularism is pervasive in our society but it is not inherent in Protestantism. Secularism is a threat to all religion and we need to put up a common defense against it with not only Protestants but with people of all religions. The Second Vatican Council calls us to ecumenical and inter-faith dialogue as well as collaboration in facing the challenges of the contemporary world. And, of course, if you reject the Council and its's teachings you are no longer a Catholic as the Conciliar documents are part of the Church's magisterium. Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-68052493002206586492016-01-27T23:48:04.067-08:002016-01-27T23:48:04.067-08:00Too bad the author doesn't realize that the th...Too bad the author doesn't realize that the threat of secularism is inherent in the Protestant denominations he wants to dialogue with. Where does he think they inherited their modernist policies on divorce, homosexuality, abortion, and sexual promiscuity - the Bible ? Holy Scripture ?<br /><br />The sooner we end the nonsense of ecumenism, the better off we will all be. Jim H.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-64217930759736574292016-01-27T06:23:15.962-08:002016-01-27T06:23:15.962-08:00pardon the erratic capitalization and the misspell...pardon the erratic capitalization and the misspelling of versus (I employed the homonym verses instead of versus) This is what happens when you compose online Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-82123278962505293162016-01-27T06:19:14.474-08:002016-01-27T06:19:14.474-08:00Well, I think the writer sets up a strawman. Yes,...Well, I think the writer sets up a strawman. Yes, psalm 42 is dropped from the "prayers at the foot of the altar" and yes, seven verses of psalm 25 are replaced by a single verse at the washing of the hands, and yes, the "last gospel" is removed from the end of Mass and yes the asperges is more rarely used and hardly ever with psalm 50 and the Vidi Aquam and yes the introit psalm, the offertory verse and the communion verse are rarely used in the Novus Ordo. all points conceded. But let's look at this: we now have a three year lectionary for Sundays, along with three (verses two) readings which literally quadruples the access to the scriptures. We have a two year cycle for weekdays and while the first reading stays the same regardless of the cycle, the gospels read in the Mass are doubled. Moreover, in most EF celebrations, as was typical before the Vatican II changes, only the Gospel is read the language of the congregation. And the various chants--the Asperges, the introit, the offertory verse and the communion verse are done in Latin which is lovely aesthetically but hardly brings the Word of God to the people of God. Those seven verses as the lavabo were not only in Latin but are recited sotto voce by the priest so the faithful are none the poorer for not hearing them. And in the Novus Ordo the responsorial psalm (which replaces the gradual) is sung with congregational participation and not restricted to the schola cantorum--which is also the prerogative of the introit and other verses. The EF scripture which have gone missing in the Novus Ordo are repetitious for every Mass while the scriptures employed in the OF are more greatly varied. So I think Mr Yanke's article is quite disingenuous, smugly so. <br />The fact of the matter is, as Monsignor Pope pointed out in his article, the EF has reached its high-water mark and less than 2% of American Catholic Churchgoers (and perhaps as few as .05%) are interested in reviving it. They have their chapels and coventicles, let them be at peace but leave us in peace as well. In the end, I am not so concerned about the Liturgy of the EF enthusiasts as I am about their doctrinal stances, in particular regarding the Council. Liturgy (despite the old joke about the liturgist and the terrorist) is negotiable; adherence to the Conciliar teaching--which is part of the magisterium--is not. After Summorum Pontificum we are seeing the gap widen not over the liturgy but over ecumenism, inter-religious dialogue, and the social magisterium. While many who attend the EF do so because it makes them feel more spiritual or it is more to their aesthetic tastes, the EF is, at the same time, becoming the barricades for those who reject current Church teaching. Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-88549179244616127552016-01-26T12:36:21.243-08:002016-01-26T12:36:21.243-08:00Hello Consolamini,
Since you have no publicly ac...Hello Consolamini, <br /><br />Since you have no publicly accessible email, I have to post this here in the comments of your latest post. I think I have a suggestion for your next article, as a counterpoint:<br /><br />http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2016/01/how-well-did-of-actually-implement.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheNewLiturgicalMovement+%28New+Liturgical+Movement%29#.VqfVnPkrKUk<br /><br />You argue positively in favour of the Novus Ordo, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. Pax. Servimus Unum Deumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12521042317656015840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-36461199876912145682016-01-25T08:11:41.781-08:002016-01-25T08:11:41.781-08:00What a beautiful line: "When we understand t...What a beautiful line: "When we understand that God did not create us to be a graduate school of dogma but a people who journey together into the Mystery of God the fear of what lies ahead dissipates."<br />I believe that this truth is behind Francis' courage to forge ahead.<br />Thanks for the post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15662466444946794349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-64054409847383139532016-01-24T04:22:55.579-08:002016-01-24T04:22:55.579-08:00Excellent food for thought. Sadly, it seems as if ...Excellent food for thought. Sadly, it seems as if the American hierarchy is stuck somewhere in the past, rather like the Krazies. As for the hymns, we do sing Charles Wesley's (Jesus Christ is Risen Today) and some of the Lutheran hymns translated into English.khughes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/16118365554189078448noreply@blogger.com