tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post9218941708372621746..comments2023-12-18T09:55:42.480-08:00Comments on What Sister Never Knew and Father Never Told You: Rorate Caeli Is In For A Big (And Distressing) Surprise Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-5931111932163472222015-11-04T08:14:35.249-08:002015-11-04T08:14:35.249-08:00well, I think we need to keep in mind that what dr...well, I think we need to keep in mind that what draws people to that pre-conciliar sort of monastic life is often an attachment to the romanticism of certain forms--what I refer to as the colonial Williamsburg approach to religious life--rather than the desire for the direct and unmediated desire for God of which John Cassian wrote all those centuries ago. Where there is an attachment to forms--even good forms (the problem being the attachment rather than the forms themselves) there is bound to be a certain spiritual immaturity it becomes a monasticism of escape rather than the journey into the depths of God. Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-26969179889294086992015-11-04T03:05:44.036-08:002015-11-04T03:05:44.036-08:00I have resisted adding to the rogues gallery one D...I have resisted adding to the rogues gallery one Dom Mark Kirby of Silverstream Priory since I have often found his website Vultus Christi to contain very helpful spiritual offerings -- though on occasion I have thought him to be overly eccentric. Sadly, a recent entry has led me to think he is yet another middling opponent of Francis where he wrote: "Is it permitted to remember happier days and to rejoice in what was given the Church for too short a season? “Jerusalem, if I forget thee, perish the skill of my right hand! Let my tongue stick fast to the roof of my mouth if I cease to remember thee, if I love not Jerusalem dearer than heart’s content!” In other words, he is comparing the current pontificate -- relative to the previous one -- to the Babylonian Exile. It saddens me to think that, though a neo-traditionalist attached to the pre-conciliar liturgy, he might have resisted the siren song of selective ultramontanism now prevalent among that crowd. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-66490495307584648522015-11-03T09:53:42.847-08:002015-11-03T09:53:42.847-08:00Spot on. It isn't only the humor in poking fun...Spot on. It isn't only the humor in poking fun at the KKs, it's that important (for me, anyway) tenets are being ignored in favor of fluff. What Texans might say is "all hat and no cattle".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-82609388204617335952015-11-01T19:00:29.259-08:002015-11-01T19:00:29.259-08:00that's because for you high-church Episcopalia...that's because for you high-church Episcopalians its all form over substance. You lost the connection between liturgy and doctrine way back in the Latitudinarian years following the Glorious Revolution. Reminds me of the old joke about the Catholics who went to hell for eating meat on friday; the Baptists for dancing; the Methodists for drinking and the Episcopalians for using the salad fork for fish course. What we are fighting over is not liturgy but ecclesiology and ultimately the relationship between God and humankind. What is at stake is not a matter of smells and bells but the very nature of the Incarnation and giving equal weight to the two natures in the one Person of Jesus Christ. My point is that the neo-trads are not orthodox but monophysites but then most liberal Protestants today, including Episcopalians, are semi-Arians. Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1900800634479346046.post-77309648668078945132015-11-01T17:54:17.620-08:002015-11-01T17:54:17.620-08:00I really can't understand why you papists just...I really can't understand why you papists just can't get along. I remember when I was sacristan in a high church in New England how we had to be ready for any style of celebration. The American Missal, The Anglican Missal, the 1928 Altar Book, and the 1979 Altar Book were available for the use of the celebrant. We even had a nouus ordo book for a Jesuit who liked to use our Marian altar.<br /><br />I do remember being quite amused one Septuagesima Sunday when mass at the high altar was in green while mass in the lady chapel was in purple. No problems at all!<br /><br />Perhaps Archbishop Zuppi is of the same mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com